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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode 281 for the ninth of March 2014

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Richard Saunders coming to you today

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from the Royal Botanical Gardens in

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Sydney what a lovely day to be wandering

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around the gardens the Sun is getting a

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little bit low over there towards the

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horizon where else people are wondering

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about the birds are singing that's a

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pretty nice day coming up on this week's

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show we catch up with dr. besh saab the

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man who is trying to go to Mars he's a

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good friend of mine I met him about a

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year ago when we attended a conference

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in the Czech Republic Besh is soon to

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enter a lock-up situation as it were a

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simulation of what it will be like to

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live on Mars as a plane assumes overhead

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they shall tell us all about that

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including how you can ask him a question

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mine is in his lock up is there life on

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Mars well hopefully soon there will be

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after that it's a week in science from

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our good friends at the Royal

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Institution of Australia www RI aus ok

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you and then it's the return of maynard

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spooky action and what an interesting

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Maynard we have to you this week

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maynard's cat went in for an operation

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now Maynard's cat tinkerbell is 19 years

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old 19 years old Maynard followed his

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cat into the operating theatre and

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interviewed the vet and the nurse during

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the operation Wow may not really comes

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up with the unusual reports this is your

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chance to be a fly on the wall for

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Tinker Bell's operation then to round

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off the show it's a report from skeptics

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in the pub in Sydney where we ask the

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big questions and the question we ask

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this week is when the Australian

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vaccination Network changed their name

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which they are required to do what

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should they change it to what would be a

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better name for the Australian

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vaccination network

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I think you can guess that's coming up

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at the end of the show now during the

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course of the show during a break in one

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of the stories we're going to come up

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with a random number to get the winners

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for our cosmos giveaway competition so

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one lucky listener in Australia or win a

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cosmos pack and one lucky listener

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internationally that includes the

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autographed copy of the cosmos book

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signed by dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson and an

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der n but now it's time for me to keep

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sitting on this bench in fact enjoying a

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nice lazy afternoon why you enjoy the

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skeptic zone

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No

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is there life on Mars

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joining me now all the way from a

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wonderful part of the world Zurich in

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Switzerland where it's nighttime here

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it's daytime I can see the sun shining

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down but where my friend best job is

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it's nighttime he's looking up at the

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moon he's looking up at Jupiter and more

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importantly he's looking up at Mars

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hello bash i Richard how are you I'm

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doing really well that's true you're

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actually sitting or standing in a park

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in Switzerland in Zurich looking up at

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Mars mm-hmm I love it when Mars comes

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comes close to Earth and you can see it

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bright red on this guy it's really cool

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that's where you're hoping to head but

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before you get to the real Mars itself

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and explore Mars you're you're doing

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something quite interesting you're going

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into a sort of a simulation environment

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to see what it's like to lock yourself

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away for a while and well be on another

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planet can you tell us about that you

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know what I suspect is the personal

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curiosity of what it's like to be locked

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away and a half module them have a

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dissociation from earthly things but

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another part of it is just to undertake

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some research that will facilitate the

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exploration and settlement of ours and

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so I'm going there with another five

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individuals whom are all strangers at

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this point in time to me and we will

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just live inside this tuna can of a

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house and go outside from maximum time

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of four hours every other day or so with

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Mars suit on and it's you know we do

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everything we can to make it seem like

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we're actually on the planet Mars itself

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and where is that located this

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interesting experiment it's in southern

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Utah and a relatively high altitude

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desert which happens to be colored red

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and so it really has a Mars like look to

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it and when you if you take you take the

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time to type in Mars desert Research

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Station into google maps you'll really

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mars like it is and it's in the middle

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of nowhere and it should be should be

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rather interesting and how long will you

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be well for all intent purposes on Mars

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this is a two-week analog mission that

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should give you a taste I guess a flavor

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for what it's like to be with a group of

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people and and carrying on like that new

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try and really simulate being on Mars by

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being in a sort of a time bubble you'll

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be on delay so to speak that's correct

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i'll communications back to earth will

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be delayed by at least five minutes each

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way and probably we're going to do 20

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and Earth a delay would only be about

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five or seven minutes or something but

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we want to know what it's really like to

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have that like a what is essentially a

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40-minute leg between will you send a

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question when you get an answer

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sometimes those answers are are

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important yeah that's what do I do now

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is you have to wait in 40 minutes for

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your answer yes but that's exactly what

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the the people on Mars and hopefully

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you'll be one of them that's what you'll

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communicate with earth sometimes it's

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just going to be a long telephone call

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up crews were highly independent can

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think creatively and and we'll be able

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to just carry things out more or less on

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their own and who are used to doing that

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what's experienced on the International

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are direct within on an hourly basis and

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different aspect in terms of how the

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mission is carried out right now the

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last time the last time we spoke to you

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of it you were telling us telling our

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audience about the fact that your

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applied to be one of them very few

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people who will initially go off to Mars

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Utah desert well yeah so the experiment

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in Utah desert is with the Mars Society

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which is a completely separate

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organization from Mars one rod Dutch

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company which intends to send people to

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Mars and I applied for each of these

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things separately and the Mars Society

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accepted me into this post is the crew

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biologist and so I undertake the mission

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in March and Mars one has put me forward

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into round two of their scenario and

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I've had to undertake a medical exam

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which I passed and then at some point in

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time i'll have to sit down with them and

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have an interview to see whether or not

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i'll pass on to round three wow that's

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very exciting and that you've made the

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next stage for the Mars mission is very

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exciting and also I'm pleased that

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you're doing what else you can in order

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to further your own cause to go to Mars

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and I think you've recently launched a

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twitter feed huh mmm so I have a Twitter

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that's called red marble I still have

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not tweeted on it but i think i might

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start doing that once i get to the mark

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simulation site I guess I'm sort of

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reluctantly entering into this realm of

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self what is it called self-promotion

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self-promotion yeah yeah I mean I don't

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mind being in the limelight at all in

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fact I love being on stage and I love

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you know speaking to audiences but the

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self promotion is a totally different

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aspect that I'm not used to but it's

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something that uh I'll have to learn how

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to acquire artfully or tastefully I hope

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at least well it's the necessary evils

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isn't it now tell me tell me more about

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what you expect it to be like when you

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simulate being on Mars in this little

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tin can as you as you say apart from the

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fact that you're going to put yourself

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the whole team are going to be on this

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self-imposed delay to simulate being on

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another planet what other things might

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you expect to sign so this there's

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basically three separate things which

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first is outreach in and interviews and

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so forth so there are many schools which

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are centering mean video questions a lot

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of them are science students that want

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to get an idea what it's like to be out

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large and then there's also this school

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cup st. Michael's that's in Victoria and

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with embarking on an art project and I

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think how this will involve although the

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details aren't certain yet is is that

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the students will video in questions for

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me and in those questions they will

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request me to take certain types of

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photos and to answer certain types of

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questions and then what they will do is

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they will take all the photos and the

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questions that they give them then they

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will produce some sort of collage and

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they can alter the photos in Photoshop

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and so forth to create what they believe

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their experience would be like if they

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were to go to Mars themselves so this

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allows the students to really put a

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personal touch and to try to get

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creative with with some other people's

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medium both from the you know from from

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the onset of choosing the images in the

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beginning and also from editing them

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afterwards I don't really know what how

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that's going to work out but it could

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turn out to be really cool and then

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along the same lines we also have to do

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certain interview so there are a couple

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news8 issues that are interested and

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journalist it was part of every mission

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and our crew journalist is going to be

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filming a short documentary that will be

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aired by National Geographic so you know

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so some of the time is just spend more

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or less answering questions about the

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research that we're doing with that sort

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of stuff the second thing which will

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occupy probably most of my time is the

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actual research that I'm doing I'll be

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undertaking some logistical experiments

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to set up a blind crossover study a

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blind crossover study is where the

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people who are being experimented on

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don't realize what they're doing so

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they're either getting up to see boy

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right and the crossover means that part

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of the time they're actually on the

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placebo part of the time we're actually

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on the drug but I won't be studying a

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drug I'll be studying the effects of

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inducing mild hyper

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amia now this is when you have an

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elevated level of ketones in your blood

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and it's something that occurs during

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starvation or after very very strenuous

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and exercise and it's the means of

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combating the delirious effects of

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having hypoglycemia which of course is

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low blood sugar which obviously leads to

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cognitive problems and muscular fatigue

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and so evolution has allowed mammals to

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come up with this process where we can

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use ketones instead of glucose and then

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in the last fleeting moments of of life

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we have I guess an extra boost of energy

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to try to catch an animal or to do

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something that we need to do to survive

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but in theory we could also just consume

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the ketones directly and then this might

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impart some sort of increased in

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endurance or cognitive abilities and in

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fact my collaborator in Oxford at Oxford

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University in the UK Ciaran Clark she

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has been studying this for about five

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years now and that's indeed what she

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finds the high-performance athletes have

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been taking the ketones while they're

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rowing for example they find that they

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can actually go further and then in

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animal models like a mouse for example

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which has symptoms that are similar to

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alzheimerís disease for the cognitive

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deficits they find that in giving them

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the ketone in their diet actually

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improves their cognitive functions so

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you can imagine that if you have an

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astronaut on Mars and let's say there's

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only four of them right and two of them

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have to go out to perform an extra dick

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Uhler activity which involves repairing

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some generator or turning over the solar

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panel to something and it may be may be

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dangerous it may may be difficult and

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may last a long time it could be

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beneficial for them to have something

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that would just give them that little

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extra kick and so the research that I'm

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setting up to do is to investigate

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whether or not these cute cones have

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such a kick in in an environment like

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this and it's pretty exciting maybe I

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don't know what if it's gonna work or

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not but but

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certainly will be what consumes most of

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my time when I'm there I just have to

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say it's just this sort of research on

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these interesting little tangents that

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can lead to all sorts of discoveries

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down the track that we can't even

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envisage that's part of the reason why I

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went at the science and research in the

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first place it's just you never know

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where it's going to lead I mean for me

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the most interesting things that I've

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ever discovered you know when i was

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doing my PhD are doing do my post off

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for things that were just completely

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completely by accident or rather

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completely unpredicted it was just

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something where I was like that's funny

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and then you sort of think about it for

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a little bit and sometimes you can think

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about it for a year before you really

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understand you know what this funniness

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is and then once you have a few ideas

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you design a few more experiments to

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test whether or not you're your

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hypothesis might be correct and

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sometimes you're wrong you go to a new

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area with sometimes you're right and

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then you realize okay i mean this is

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this is something just totally

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unexpected but it's appears to be true I

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think myself that one of the phrases

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that will probably very be very

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appropriate for people living on Mars

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eventually as a necessity is the mother

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of invention I can just imagine that all

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social situations will crop up which we

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can't foresee which will necessitate

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people like you coming up with solutions

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and discoveries and inventions it's

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exactly right i mean that's that's and

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challenge is what it's makes us grow and

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and i think there will be a lot of

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innovation coming from plan of ours in

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the not so distant future now can you

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tell me a little bit more about what

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your living conditions will be like

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initially in the desert in the Utah

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desert how big is your environment do

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you have personal space what's the

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eating facilities like how much do you

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know well I don't know I don't know

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every last detail but there's a two

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floor hab module which has on the top

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floor there has like sort of a common

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space which is

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I mean smaller than your average North

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American or Australian living room for

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sure so you know quite cramped and then

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also on that same floor there are six

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bedrooms now the bedroom the entire size

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of a bedroom is probably smaller than a

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single bed so what you have is just like

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a tiny caught and then maybe maybe a

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foot or you know lesser half a meter or

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something between the edge of the bed

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and the wall and then above the bed you

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have some shelves and that's that's it

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that's your space like it's it's really

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it's like one of these capsule hotels

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and in Japan it's actually not it's not

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quite quite as cramp is that but it's

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it's pretty small and that's that's the

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entirety of your personal space but

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there is a door so you know you do have

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some privacy and there is a bed and you

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could sleep I mean when being on Mars is

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not not like being on Space Station

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where you just sort of float around and

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like you like you actually have our room

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you know which end bedroom so that's

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kind of cool and of course probably the

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gravity is a little less than F so

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you'll be able to leap tall buildings in

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a single bound maybe I'm really curious

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to see what that will feel like because

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the gravity be I think it's thirty-eight

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percent of what what it is on the earth

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and yeah you really should be able to

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jump quite high mark throw a ball quite

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far yeah the third thing that we're

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going to bed I'll be spend time what is

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I'm going to try to record music video

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while I'm there oh wow and so Chris

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Hadfield when he was on the

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International Space Station did a cover

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of David Bowie yeah I want to do a cover

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of a different data voice Tom and then I

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can pull it off and if I like the

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product in the end then and then then

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I'll make it available online for people

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to see but only if I think it's good

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we'll put some effort into that idea

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should be full of I guess he did one

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can't go past the the the song of David

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Bowie life on Mars that would that would

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be that would be the appropriate 11 I

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would imagine now

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something very interesting we're going

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to attempt to do for our listeners mesh

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is to have you answer their questions

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now a little bit later on the trip down

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the track I'll be announcing details but

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basically what we want people do to do

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now is start thinking of questions they

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can send you while you're away on this

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mission in the desert you know well

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simulating Mars they can send you

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questions and we're going to figure out

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how you can answer them probably back to

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me via the skeptic zone sounds great so

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there you are people think of your

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questions what's what do you eat on in

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this environment do you get on with the

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people i do want to run outside have you

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had enough all these sort of questions

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you can ask mesh now when are you

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actually going into this simulation I'll

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leave zurich on friday the fourteenth

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and i arrived there on the fifteenth

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into the simulation and then and then I

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last for two weeks so till the 30th wow

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so that's very soon now I think we'll

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probably even try to arrange something

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on the next show where I'll give

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listeners details on how they can send

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questions to you wish it's the next step

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in your hopeful giant leap towards Mars

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I wish you all the best I'm very excited

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it sounds like it's going to be such a

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fascinating opportunity even going into

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the simulation yeah i'm really excited

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it's chewy fudge well enjoy your zurich

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tonight have a gaze up at mars for me

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it's bright sunshine here so i can't

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quite see just at the moment and until

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we contact you next time in your

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simulation all the best fish thank you

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heard that the Antarctic sea ice is

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expanding but the world is warming

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doesn't make sense till you know the

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in 2013 the maximum wintertime extent of

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the Antarctic sea ice was an all-time

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record at nineteen point 47 million

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square kilometers almost one and a half

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times the size of the Antarctic

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continent sea ice is a thin layer of ice

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typically one to two meters thick that

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forms on the surface of the ocean when

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the water is being cooled enough by the

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atmosphere once formed sea ice can move

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around pushed by winds and currents and

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continues to grow by further freezing

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and collision with other sea ice when

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the atmosphere and the oceans warm again

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in the spring or when the sea ice has

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moved towards the equator it begins to

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melt in the northern hemisphere the

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Arctic sea ice has been declining over

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the last few decades as the atmosphere

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is warmed a recent paper has found that

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the amount of energy radiated back into

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space is the dominant reason why the

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Arctic is warming much faster than the

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Earth's average but the extent of

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Antarctic sea ice has been steadily

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increasing as the planet gets warmer the

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difference is that in the south there is

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a frozen continent delivering cold air

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to the surrounding seas while Arctic sea

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ice forms over open water and the huge

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net increase in area of the Antarctic

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sea ice masks strong regional declines

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in sea ice volume around the continent

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and now for fast facts that may

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contribute to the expanding Antarctic

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sea ice increased westerly winds around

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the Southern Ocean driven by climate

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change in ozone depletion could be

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driving sea ice northwood more rain and

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snow other effects of climate change

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could be layering the Southern Ocean

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with a cool dense layer on top rain and

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snow could also be freshening the

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surface waters and thus increasing the

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local freezing point for sea ice

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formation and increasing melting of the

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563
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here's my not spooky action at a

564
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welcome to Maynard spooky action at a

565
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distance today something very different

566
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:54,190
for me our beloved cat Tinkerbell

567
00:25:58,830 --> 00:25:55,930
otherwise known as Tinker has had an

568
00:26:01,080 --> 00:25:58,840
ulcer on her left eye that drops wasn't

569
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:01,090
able to solve so I'm going to the

570
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:03,610
merriweather vet today and taking tinker

571
00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:05,830
along my dead mum are quite nervous

572
00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:07,900
about the whole thing the cat is 19

573
00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:10,540
years old which is pretty old i think

574
00:26:13,770 --> 00:26:12,100
that was a person that be 3 million

575
00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:13,780
she's not too happy about the whole

576
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:15,190
thing and she's being put in what they

577
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:17,920
call the cranky cat cage because she's

578
00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:19,450
needing a bit of sedation that's not the

579
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:21,700
same as a regular sedation because she's

580
00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:23,290
old and the heart could have problems

581
00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:25,060
and we're going to see how we go and

582
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,230
i'll be back at the end of it to tell

583
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:29,220
you how she's getting on brave tinker

584
00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:31,690
I'm just inside what you'd call the

585
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:33,160
operating room here and we've got Chris

586
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:35,050
here good afternoon Chris good afternoon

587
00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:37,240
how are you I'm fine a bit nervous cuz

588
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:39,400
we've got a 19 year old cat that's about

589
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:41,020
to undergo a bit of minor surgery here

590
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:43,330
but this is what I was described as the

591
00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:45,370
cranky cat cage it's good for cats are a

592
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:48,100
bit cranky yes it's also safe form of

593
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:49,870
induction an old captors you don't have

594
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:52,450
to use other more powerful anesthetic

595
00:26:57,930 --> 00:26:55,810
agents that could compromise the

596
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,940
cardiovascular system and you've got the

597
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:01,120
the standard vet no bets cat that keeps

598
00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:02,860
wanting to get into the cage is that

599
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:04,150
just because cats like getting into

600
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:06,010
boxes so because this is an obvious box

601
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:08,050
this cat that lives here wants to hop in

602
00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:09,610
there I think that's re oh yes he just

603
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:11,260
likes getting into every box in this

604
00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:13,690
clinic there's a layman in the

605
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:16,600
veterinary surgeons surgery it's all a

606
00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:18,490
bit spooky that I think this stuff is it

607
00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:21,340
looks a bit like a human's surgery

608
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:23,140
except maybe not as clean and the

609
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:25,810
devices are a lot smaller now that would

610
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:28,690
be Tinker Bell there if you think

611
00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:33,310
they'll go check now that you put it in

612
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,590
there and just have a look at them um

613
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:40,480
now what normally happens is you just

614
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:42,130
sort of dozes off or it makes your bit

615
00:27:47,779 --> 00:27:44,830
groggy it will cause her to become

616
00:27:49,899 --> 00:27:47,789
groggy initially just

617
00:27:53,749 --> 00:27:49,909
to the point where she's able to be

618
00:27:55,369 --> 00:27:53,759
taken out of the cage and intubated to

619
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:55,379
Belichick here so I can connect through

620
00:28:02,930 --> 00:27:59,340
gases anesthesia machine she may become

621
00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:02,940
a little bit disorientated and her limbs

622
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:05,389
might be in some strange positions and

623
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:08,220
that's she thatthat's point of time

624
00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:11,700
she'll be quite deeply sedated so that's

625
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:13,830
not going to distress her in any way why

626
00:28:17,509 --> 00:28:15,690
and the reason we're doing this is cause

627
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:17,519
of a rage any other sort of anesthetic

628
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:18,809
will be dangerous because of the heart

629
00:28:23,419 --> 00:28:21,840
of the cat isn't well in part but the

630
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:23,429
other way to anesthetize her would be to

631
00:28:27,619 --> 00:28:25,710
put a mask over her face but she's a

632
00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:27,629
cranky old girl and she went probably

633
00:28:32,239 --> 00:28:30,119
cope with it another possibility is by

634
00:28:33,469 --> 00:28:32,249
putting a catheter into one of the veins

635
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:33,479
in her arms and then giving her

636
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,970
intravenous induction agent but big game

637
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:37,919
she's a cranky old girl she probably

638
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:40,289
won't talk about dance I think this is a

639
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:44,970
much safer and better agent for an old

640
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:49,070
cat who's got who's cranky and old and

641
00:28:57,589 --> 00:28:51,929
possibly a fragile cardiovascular stead

642
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:57,599
it keeps us safe as well yes and fire

643
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,299
mr. heaven and the operation she's

644
00:29:04,489 --> 00:29:02,220
having used a relatively minor just

645
00:29:06,379 --> 00:29:04,499
using a cotton bud to scraper to live

646
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,389
and also that she has on her eyeball but

647
00:29:10,969 --> 00:29:07,919
if she was awake she wouldn't be put up

648
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:10,979
putting up for that I know I can didn't

649
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:14,340
a less cranky cat we could probably do

650
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:15,960
the procedure with local anesthetic and

651
00:29:19,509 --> 00:29:17,970
sedation or even just gentle restraint

652
00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:19,519
but in her case it's going to require

653
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:22,229
general anesthetic to do and the

654
00:29:27,739 --> 00:29:24,570
procedure is actually use a grid

655
00:29:29,629 --> 00:29:27,749
keratotomy which is producing a number

656
00:29:31,249 --> 00:29:29,639
of small linear cuts across hatch

657
00:29:33,019 --> 00:29:31,259
pattern on the surface of the cornea

658
00:29:37,219 --> 00:29:33,029
over the also once it's been done

659
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:37,229
branded with a cotton bud and takes a

660
00:29:41,659 --> 00:29:39,320
little bit of deft work and

661
00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:41,669
concentration and i knows usually have

662
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:43,139
to use a magnifying loupe to do it

663
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:45,059
properly and that's a bit hard to do in

664
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:46,290
a cranky old girl

665
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:47,640
yeah what doesn't want to be where you

666
00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:49,170
know I'll make sure I stay out of your

667
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,790
way it's a little bit disturbing to the

668
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:52,440
layman seeing a cat go to sleep like

669
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:53,610
that but I guess you do this kind of

670
00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:55,650
every day don't you oh yes and and

671
00:30:02,110 --> 00:29:57,900
certainly now if you're not used to

672
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:02,120
seeing how I can't or any animal

673
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,140
transgresses through the various planes

674
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:06,240
of anesthesia it could be a little bit

675
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,770
distressing but one has to realize that

676
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:10,320
this is a humane and very standard

677
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:12,210
procedure that works very well in many

678
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:14,790
cases it's forcing a non-sexual gasps

679
00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:16,740
you using now static gases at one that's

680
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:18,390
used for humans in a lesser amount ORS

681
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:19,980
are specifically for called isoflurane

682
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:23,910
fluid that's mixed with just one hundred

683
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,280
percent oxygen and today surgery day how

684
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:28,080
many animals we've been working on today

685
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:30,810
well we've had major abdominal surgery

686
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:33,210
on dog this morning we're doing this

687
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,840
procedure now we've got x-rays of a

688
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,460
bladder an ultrasound of a blender to do

689
00:30:42,290 --> 00:30:40,080
after that I've just finished doing it

690
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,300
to our neurological examination on a dog

691
00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:44,580
with back pain so it's been an

692
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:48,420
interesting day and this is the same

693
00:30:51,290 --> 00:30:49,500
procedure as you would when you're

694
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:51,300
putting an animal down user Eunice's

695
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:54,030
procedure or not well if it was a cranky

696
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,810
old girl and venous access was difficult

697
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,580
for the same reasons I previously

698
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:01,740
described and certainly this is an

699
00:31:06,650 --> 00:31:04,290
excellent way of getting to a point

700
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:06,660
where you can get a venous accent access

701
00:31:14,659 --> 00:31:08,820
to do that sort of procedure as well we

702
00:31:18,859 --> 00:31:14,669
might be right here pussycat

703
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,869
to a point where we can then transfer it

704
00:31:22,489 --> 00:31:20,940
from the cage and place our masks and

705
00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:22,499
give it the same anesthetic gas that we

706
00:31:26,899 --> 00:31:25,409
gave it in the chamber fire a mask and

707
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,909
i'll see if you've got your hand on a

708
00:31:30,379 --> 00:31:28,470
heart there so she could see how she

709
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:30,389
going how's the heart games is exactly

710
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:31,950
what it's supposed to be doing very

711
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,809
nicely that's all doing very well I

712
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:36,480
press the stache so so we're gonna do

713
00:31:42,379 --> 00:31:39,779
now is we're going to open your mouth

714
00:31:44,479 --> 00:31:42,389
and push some local anesthetic on top

715
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:44,489
shakya which desensitizes it and

716
00:31:54,139 --> 00:31:47,460
therefore her larynx mean and allows us

717
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,149
to place a tube down her trachea what

718
00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:56,039
point we had here well we're at the

719
00:32:02,090 --> 00:31:58,289
point now where we have i carefully

720
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:02,100
anesthetized and we're going to get our

721
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:04,919
surgical gear ready and do the small

722
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:09,690
operation now and that how many years

723
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:12,330
have you been a veterinarian nurse five

724
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:14,850
years been in training but trained two

725
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,470
years they've been our training for five

726
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,480
years so seven years all together so

727
00:32:21,849 --> 00:32:19,919
you've seen a few cranky cats in your

728
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,859
time yes I have our own one actually

729
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,179
unfortunately that's a yes but worst

730
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:25,679
injury you've received at work or at

731
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:28,409
home from a cat um I haven't been bitten

732
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:31,230
as of yet but you know can't say that

733
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,730
yet I have been scratched pretty bad

734
00:32:37,099 --> 00:32:34,440
where how did you go to hospital or

735
00:32:39,619 --> 00:32:37,109
anything but had to UM get like auntie

736
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:39,629
for a cream for it but that's about it I

737
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,850
haven't been I'd be very lucky yeah so I

738
00:32:45,499 --> 00:32:43,440
mentioned this operation is pretty

739
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,509
run-of-the-mill today this one yeah do

740
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,279
we do Chris does this procedure pre

741
00:32:52,249 --> 00:32:50,159
often actually okay now actually what

742
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:52,259
normally makes a cat get an ulcer in the

743
00:32:56,479 --> 00:32:54,179
eye is it an infection or some sort of

744
00:32:59,239 --> 00:32:56,489
physical impact physical injury

745
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:59,249
sometimes it can be caused by an eyelid

746
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:02,279
that rubs in the eye as you elucidated

747
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,809
sometimes an infection can do it but

748
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,220
that's unusual

749
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:07,679
some animals can have decreased tear

750
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,720
production which can make you hornier

751
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:11,760
prone to drying out and secondary

752
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:15,210
corneal ulcers so is it more prone to

753
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:16,980
happen in older animals no not

754
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,799
necessarily in the case of discount we

755
00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:21,960
don't know the cause but by the shape of

756
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:23,429
the ulcer and it's sudden onset we

757
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:25,080
presume it with some form of trauma

758
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:27,330
mm-hmm usually catching a walk through

759
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:31,440
bushes and backyards and so they're in a

760
00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:35,640
cat fight with its this cat's an indoor

761
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,230
cat so it's probably bumped into

762
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:40,380
something inside the house as assistant

763
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,970
in this procedure what are you looking

764
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,440
out for the whole time while the

765
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:45,480
cruisers doing his surgery work I'm

766
00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:47,730
monitoring monitoring the depth of the

767
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,830
anesthetic so our job is to know your

768
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,840
sister Kristen getting instruments or

769
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,480
anything you need but we also make

770
00:33:59,510 --> 00:33:56,220
monitor the anaesthetic itself so we

771
00:34:01,940 --> 00:33:59,520
record every 10 minutes the sets of the

772
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:01,950
animal which includes the orkin

773
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:04,500
saturation the breathing into the heart

774
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,740
rate and so if any of that changes or we

775
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:09,899
are concerned we let chris know first we

776
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:11,970
then take steps to find out why it's

777
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:14,820
changed sometimes it's just a probe or

778
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:18,570
chords malfunctioned or its needs to be

779
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:20,250
repositioned in some way that we do

780
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:22,980
first but mainly we make sure the animal

781
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:26,010
stays in either iced and since I won't

782
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:27,690
interrupt Chrissy can you explain what

783
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:31,649
he's doing there now he is grabbing the

784
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,810
third eyelid could it's in the way cats

785
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:36,960
and was a third eyelid which when

786
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:39,300
they're anutha ties it can't be they

787
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:40,710
can't pull it back because it's like a

788
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,080
muscle so Chris has now pulled it back

789
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,359
and he was actually staining the ulcer

790
00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:48,119
on the eye so he can actually see where

791
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:50,669
it is before he then starts to procedure

792
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,460
and then he put some brazen around where

793
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:56,159
it is with a cotton a solution yeah so

794
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:58,650
we then get to cotton tip and get

795
00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:01,500
through the rough edges and then he will

796
00:35:06,859 --> 00:35:03,750
get a fine needle and that's when he

797
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,869
draws it grids on the older and the grid

798
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:08,760
actually makes it easier for the cats

799
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:12,720
and natural eyelid I ball coding corn

800
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:14,520
cornea what's possible yeah the cornea

801
00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:16,550
to heal properly yeah

802
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:19,600
okay because you can see the AH severe

803
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:25,130
you see that little green area oh yes

804
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:27,320
yes I'm in the center of the cornea okay

805
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:29,810
no I had a fairly standard also large

806
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:35,060
small too small on yes now what he

807
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:37,250
derided the redundant epithelium around

808
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:38,780
the ulcer edge and see how much bigger

809
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,180
it is something that was a lot bigger

810
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:43,040
than we thought oh yes much bigger and

811
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:44,750
this is often the case when you first

812
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:49,190
stain them they appear much smaller they

813
00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:52,490
actually are and one of the clues you

814
00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:55,100
get is that they don't heal by normal

815
00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:57,800
topical treatment and just move my head

816
00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:00,950
a little bit closer thinking so does the

817
00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:02,990
the larger size of the older than you

818
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:04,550
thought point to it being a particular

819
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:08,050
kind of cause well it has a cheer

820
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:11,840
graphic sort of shape which might

821
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:16,220
suggest involvement of a feline herpes

822
00:36:22,410 --> 00:36:19,250
virus but it could just be due to trauma

823
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:22,420
and it's just spread it's difficult to

824
00:36:30,610 --> 00:36:25,730
make a diagnosis it's clear cut in this

825
00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:30,620
stage so you have to do Catherine's live

826
00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:36,140
down which is old she hasn't got much

827
00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:39,560
periorbital fat so her eye is so pushed

828
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:41,660
back into her skull which makes accessed

829
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:45,890
it's also challenging I think I've got

830
00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:52,650
so you can see how I could not have done

831
00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:57,340
this in a conscious again alright so

832
00:37:00,420 --> 00:36:58,510
we've finished the procedure here

833
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:00,430
crystal where we up to what did you just

834
00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:02,710
do we scare ified the surface of the

835
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:06,580
cornea with a age of a 25 gauge needle

836
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,600
in a grid pattern and that's basically

837
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:14,560
the procedures very simple and hopefully

838
00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:16,990
that will stimulate corneal regrowth and

839
00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:19,720
of the epithelium and they also will

840
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:22,120
help hmm that's it and now what's a

841
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:23,710
reverse procedure for bringing the cat

842
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:25,660
out of anesthetic well we basically

843
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:30,070
turned against intensity and maintain

844
00:37:35,370 --> 00:37:31,750
the cattle oxygen for period of about

845
00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:35,380
four or five minutes and watch their

846
00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:37,780
oxygen saturation once they remain

847
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:42,340
stable then we disconnect the cat from

848
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:44,110
the anesthetic racine making sure that

849
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:47,760
it can maintain its oxygenation without

850
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:51,460
a hundred percent oxygen but just on

851
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:54,250
room air and if all goes well a cat will

852
00:37:58,890 --> 00:37:56,740
start to wake up gradually over the next

853
00:38:00,900 --> 00:37:58,900
four or five minutes and we'll extubated

854
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:00,910
will put it back in its cage okay and

855
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,920
about emily cap be feeling groggy girl

856
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:04,720
strange for a few hours what norm what

857
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:06,070
do cats normally do when they come out

858
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:08,890
of anesthetic yes they never kill me

859
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:12,790
when I asked them but this cat was

860
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:15,070
pre-medicated with sedative so we'll be

861
00:38:18,570 --> 00:38:16,690
sedated probably for another four to six

862
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:18,580
hours probably longer for an older cat

863
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:20,020
because they metabolize these things

864
00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:21,490
slower and their brains are more

865
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:25,000
affected by them so the cattle be pretty

866
00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:27,640
snazzy four or five hours but hopefully

867
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:29,350
by that fire what this afternoon we'll

868
00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:32,080
be up and sitting up and walking around

869
00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:34,600
enough to be able to go home so was that

870
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:36,940
a pretty for that procedures that have

871
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:38,230
been a pretty run-of-the-mill what you

872
00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:39,790
expected there was he also a little bit

873
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:41,590
bigger than I you thought bigger than I

874
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:43,960
had expected and took a little extra

875
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:49,420
time to do but now there's one operation

876
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:50,980
like this normally get an ulcer of that

877
00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:54,790
size usually most the time we only need

878
00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:56,590
to do a once I've had the occasional

879
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:59,230
case where we have about twice most of

880
00:39:02,500 --> 00:38:59,940
the times

881
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:02,510
solves the problem so keep a physical

882
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:04,890
well Catherine i'll let you to wrap up

883
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:06,390
i'll get out of the way now while you

884
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,500
are getting tinker back to normal here

885
00:39:13,850 --> 00:39:12,480
and now you're keeping tinker warm with

886
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:13,860
a little bit looks like an Egyptian

887
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:15,690
cotton towel blanket there yeah it does

888
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:18,180
it's I'm just a an old towel that we

889
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:20,490
have quite a few of them in the cupboard

890
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:22,200
in the laundry yeah we just have a heat

891
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:23,730
map to keep the body temperature warning

892
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:25,350
a towel and we take the temperature

893
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:27,120
before we wake them up in her

894
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,980
temperature was a little bit under

895
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,720
normal but not under enough that we need

896
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:32,700
to worry sir look I'll get out of your

897
00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:34,230
way and let the post operative procedure

898
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:36,150
begin here what exactly was your role

899
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:38,670
now my role now is to whack the cut up

900
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:41,400
and use an extra bait take the tube out

901
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:43,020
and just want to run till it's sitting

902
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:44,940
up right thank you for your work today

903
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:47,690
thank you and see you later Gingka and

904
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:50,130
that was tickers adventure at the vet

905
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:51,660
and let me tell you as a layman that

906
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,670
hasn't seen any surgeries human or

907
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:54,960
animal it was a little bit distressing

908
00:39:59,180 --> 00:39:56,610
to see an animal on that state but

909
00:40:01,460 --> 00:39:59,190
that's the way surgery goes and I'm sure

910
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,470
she's gonna be fine as she is already

911
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:03,900
it's four days later after surgery and

912
00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:06,720
she is healthy enough that she's getting

913
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:08,580
really cranky again like it's really

914
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,750
hard the butt of drops in the eyes and

915
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:11,400
she just kind of had enough of that so

916
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:13,410
her strengths coming back she's eating

917
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,570
wing pooing walking doing all the things

918
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:17,400
you expect a 19 year old cat to do

919
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:19,650
unfortunately her ability to play the

920
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:21,240
piano was somewhat limited but she

921
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:22,140
couldn't play it in the first place

922
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,700
that's okay and I want to thank

923
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:25,980
everybody that has put lovely comments

924
00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:28,320
on facebook page and has contacted me

925
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:30,360
and wished tinkle well and my mum and

926
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,490
dad thank you all from the bottom of

927
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:34,440
that Tinkerbell heart oh you think I

928
00:41:07,430 --> 00:40:45,530
[Music]

929
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:07,440
well this isn't skeptics in the pub it's

930
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:09,750
the friend in hand puppet glebe i'm here

931
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:13,190
with KOA hello Kate I i'm going to ask

932
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:16,680
kate to give me a hand here deciding the

933
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:18,450
winner of our competition for the cosmos

934
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:20,910
pack what i have is i have a trustee and

935
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:22,410
you can confirm this and everybody

936
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:24,569
around the table can confirm this we

937
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:27,420
have a 10 sided die here I'll get you to

938
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:30,630
roll it nine times and each time we'll

939
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,890
have a look at the number write it down

940
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:33,900
and those nine numbers will make up the

941
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:35,730
random number and then we'll know who

942
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:38,250
wins the competition so are you ready

943
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,710
I'm ready so remember this is we're

944
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:42,480
going to get a random number which is

945
00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:45,000
between one and one thousand million by

946
00:42:17,180 --> 00:41:48,030
doing this here we go the first number

947
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:32,630
11 7777 so the number is 298 million 420

948
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:42,009
well it's left for me to do now is to

949
00:42:48,099 --> 00:42:44,569
contact the two people who had the

950
00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:48,109
number closest to the random number

951
00:42:53,049 --> 00:42:51,260
chosen by the dice and I hope to come

952
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:53,059
back those people this week and I'll

953
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:04,810
[Music]

954
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:11,820
there's a big weekend coming up at the

955
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:13,930
beginning of April if you're a newcastle

956
00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:16,570
off if you're in sydney on the 5th and

957
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:18,100
6th of April there's something to do

958
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:20,170
that's Maynard related on saturday the

959
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:22,330
fifth of April during the day at the New

960
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:24,190
Castle Town Hall I'll be having an in

961
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:26,170
conversation with none other than mr.

962
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:28,870
Tim Ferguson talking about Doug Anthony

963
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,970
All Stars and talking about his writing

964
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:32,890
career his latest book carry a big stick

965
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:34,510
we've spoken about you can have a listen

966
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:36,280
to the podcast that that's back there in

967
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:37,960
the stream I'll be having a chat with

968
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:40,900
Tim on stage for about 15-20 minutes I'm

969
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,550
going to throw open the floor to

970
00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:44,560
questions for Tim Ferguson from you the

971
00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:46,360
audience for the rest of the hour so is

972
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:47,800
going to be 40 minutes of your questions

973
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:49,180
and 20 minutes of mood changer Tim

974
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:50,830
that's what that's but plan there's a

975
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:52,390
cost involved with that but go to the

976
00:43:59,010 --> 00:43:54,210
Newcastle writers festival website

977
00:44:02,090 --> 00:43:59,020
it's in the New Castle Town Hall on the

978
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,100
afternoon of saturday the fifth of april

979
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:05,680
and on the afternoon of sunday the sixth

980
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:07,870
of april from three till 6pm we're

981
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:09,370
having a man club reunion that's right

982
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:11,890
I'm going to be going stupid and playing

983
00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:13,480
some records and Jeff the shopkeeper

984
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,680
will be there from the mayor club

985
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:16,240
playing for a little while for three

986
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,040
hours only between three and six in the

987
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:20,800
afternoon upstairs at the record crate

988
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:23,170
in glebe point road that's just opposite

989
00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:24,730
bad manners cafe if you've ever been

990
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:26,740
there if you haven't look it up and come

991
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:28,210
along I'd say the rooms and I got a

992
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:31,000
capacity of about 50 or 60 so come one

993
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:33,070
come all but let me assure you every one

994
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:34,680
that comes will be just that little bit

995
00:45:02,480 --> 00:44:50,430
[Music]

996
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:02,490
well i'm here at Sydney skeptics in the

997
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:04,110
pub yes it's that time come around again

998
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,210
and tonight's question is an interesting

999
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:08,160
one given that the Australian

1000
00:45:11,570 --> 00:45:10,110
vaccination network has to change their

1001
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:11,580
name and they're going to do it what

1002
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:14,900
should they change their name to Josh I

1003
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:18,960
don't know it depends how how awful do

1004
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,810
please the acai hopes red bag what do

1005
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:31,200
you think the Australian vaccination

1006
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:33,810
network should be called now I've got

1007
00:45:39,350 --> 00:45:36,330
the extremely offensive aviation autumn

1008
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:39,360
which I won't quickly I mean I will but

1009
00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:40,950
so we can feel a love you just cut it

1010
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:43,950
out later I've been wanting them to

1011
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:47,580
change their name since not a 99 they

1012
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,970
were in fact the the impotence me to

1013
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:53,040
start the Millennium Project I found

1014
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:54,210
their change their name from the

1015
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,490
vaccination awareness network straighten

1016
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,680
vaccination network I decided that this

1017
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:01,020
was enough people needed to be insulted

1018
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:03,650
and they were there were top of a list I

1019
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:06,120
I don't think that they can really come

1020
00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:07,170
up with a suitable nine because they've

1021
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:08,430
really been told they've also sandy

1022
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:09,900
vaccination it's interesting isn't it I

1023
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:11,730
mean if they were truthful they would

1024
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:12,690
just simply call themselves the

1025
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:14,220
Australian Andy vaccination

1026
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:16,290
we manage but they don't want to do they

1027
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:18,180
want to do that they want to keep

1028
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,070
pretending is like the one in America

1029
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,599
equivalent like the National Vaccine

1030
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,760
Information Center yeah but the only

1031
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:24,960
information you can get from was there

1032
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,630
Gridley bad vaccines are and and

1033
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:29,940
generally a lie about that as well so I

1034
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:31,170
don't know what they going to change the

1035
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,730
name to maybe though I mean like Google

1036
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:37,380
or about this in fact they could

1037
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:41,099
probably run in court right and use any

1038
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,470
name they like that's why they if they

1039
00:46:47,810 --> 00:46:45,180
got to lose it if they gave up the

1040
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:47,820
charities go incorporation they could

1041
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:48,930
really suck come to us whatever they

1042
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:51,540
like and I hope nobody's told him that

1043
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:53,130
don't tell them that don't tell that

1044
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:54,690
that could be don't give them any clues

1045
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,730
Tim mendham editor of the wonderful

1046
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,500
skeptic magazine which i think is out

1047
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,240
soon is that like that next week should

1048
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,940
be next week and what listeners and

1049
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:04,440
readers look forward to in the next

1050
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:06,450
issue of the skeptic magazine Oh quite a

1051
00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:07,710
lot actually that kind of big feature

1052
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:10,619
actually on religious people's exemption

1053
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:13,770
from looking after their kids Oh like

1054
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:15,990
blood transfusion blood transfusions

1055
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:18,420
vaccinations to get a rather horrify

1056
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,550
gives me horrifying article from the US

1057
00:47:24,010 --> 00:47:22,380
actually bet someone who starved their

1058
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,020
child ellipticals they didn't say Amen

1059
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:26,700
well we can't say amen to that

1060
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:29,640
absolutely not look at various other

1061
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,320
things a lot about Simon Singh who was

1062
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:32,940
out here recently we bet he's he's

1063
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,310
issues with the law again and and of

1064
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:37,920
course his interest in mathematics good

1065
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:39,510
we got to end the secret history of

1066
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:42,300
dolphins secret history yeah yes we sort

1067
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:45,080
of will give you a purpose in life

1068
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:47,710
now we want people to subscribe to the

1069
00:47:54,070 --> 00:47:50,570
negativity and you can you can subscribe

1070
00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:54,080
by visiting w WC a pic combo day you but

1071
00:47:57,970 --> 00:47:56,120
if the Australian vaccination it will

1072
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:57,980
all try to say when they change their

1073
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:00,560
name what do you think that they should

1074
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:06,160
call themselves Cole's Cole's holes

1075
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:09,530
about wine but as well it's as honest as

1076
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:16,490
the AVM it thank you Tim here is some

1077
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:19,070
more people it's jessica hello Jessica

1078
00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:21,950
hey Richard how are you I'm really well

1079
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,720
and tonight's question the night's

1080
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:25,760
question is since the Australian

1081
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:27,500
vaccination networking changing their

1082
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:29,510
name by model they have to what do you

1083
00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:33,470
think they should be cool honestly they

1084
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:35,860
should be called the anti-vaccination

1085
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:38,730
because that's what they

1086
00:48:44,330 --> 00:48:40,410
that's what they are but can you think

1087
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:44,340
of a more chemical insult anything I'm

1088
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:47,640
more comical own song I suggest

1089
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:49,260
something very rude but I don't think we

1090
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:52,680
could Jim mendham suggested they should

1091
00:49:05,480 --> 00:48:54,930
be called collars this is just as honest

1092
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:05,490
as you stay in vaccination the vaccine

1093
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:12,330
denies organization I mean I just like

1094
00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:16,310
to keep it short short and honest

1095
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:18,630
anti-vaccination movement that's short

1096
00:49:25,099 --> 00:49:22,650
and almost it is honest if it's and then

1097
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:25,109
we could we could eat oddly enough we

1098
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,490
would then support that land would you

1099
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:28,710
say we support the anti-vaccination

1100
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:31,430
network in their new name we work

1101
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:34,619
because it's honest and it's accurate

1102
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:38,460
what a strange state of affairs oh well

1103
00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:39,510
we wouldn't know what to do with

1104
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,270
ourselves with me but i'll go home well

1105
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:44,940
now we couldn't go handing other people

1106
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:48,900
yes yes and and you know if they renamed

1107
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,340
themselves the anti-vaccination movement

1108
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:53,119
and we would still be doing our work

1109
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:56,190
against the evacuation regardless though

1110
00:50:01,760 --> 00:49:58,050
i'm not to mention other things like

1111
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:01,770
home and homeopathy chiropractors all

1112
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:04,290
out all our very good friend was in the

1113
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:07,410
alternative health care industry Thank

1114
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:10,230
You Jessica nice welcome by now the

1115
00:50:14,090 --> 00:50:12,210
Australian vaccinations at work have

1116
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:14,100
been required by law to change their

1117
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:16,750
name and then looking for a new name

1118
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:18,850
what do you think they should call

1119
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:24,850
themselves crapola Inc Isley who have

1120
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:27,430
you got any ideas yeah a good time to

1121
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:28,990
think of this and I'm too fickle you're

1122
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:29,950
gonna have to come back to me on that

1123
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:32,230
one for a good answer i think that's a

1124
00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:33,790
long name I'm sure they could call

1125
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:36,790
themselves that I think they can have

1126
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,730
that one it's good to see you here at

1127
00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:41,440
skeptics in the pub at ELQ great turnout

1128
00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:43,180
tonight the room is filling up nicely

1129
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:45,400
towards the back and we have a talk

1130
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:48,670
tonight about Bitcoin oh ok that's

1131
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:51,670
interesting concept red bag is going to

1132
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:54,460
be giving that talk and tonight we're

1133
00:51:00,840 --> 00:50:58,450
giving away a cosmos to one lucky person

1134
00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:00,850
who's here which includes a cosmos carry

1135
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:04,300
bag a cosmos book cosmos notepad and

1136
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:05,530
some other bits and pieces in the

1137
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:06,910
national geographic channel so you're

1138
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:09,430
all in the running for that why are we

1139
00:51:14,610 --> 00:51:11,770
running away because you're here aha

1140
00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:14,620
okay one of the perks of coming to

1141
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:16,360
skeptics in the pub you get random

1142
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:20,350
giveaways you see great I wish I could

1143
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:21,730
describe the excitement on their faces

1144
00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:24,370
listens they're just almost falling off

1145
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,860
their chairs with insufficient and you

1146
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:28,720
enjoy the rest of the night thank you

1147
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:30,510
Richard

1148
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:32,970
it's Kathy marks and she won the cause

1149
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:35,630
he whispers back tonight congratulations

1150
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,970
I'm just stoked s'ok mate just ached

1151
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:40,800
it's actually because the bag the

1152
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:42,510
customer sermon bag is a great shopping

1153
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:45,030
bag I can't fight that's who that's

1154
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:47,670
always happy to win it apart from just

1155
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:51,210
sort of trying to be counterintuitive it

1156
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:52,650
was the heads and tails and you're the

1157
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:54,810
only one who got the last year because

1158
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:56,220
otherwise it's gonna be agony we're

1159
00:51:59,420 --> 00:51:57,690
gonna go forever so I need it back to

1160
00:52:04,820 --> 00:51:59,430
sort of break move to break the tedium

1161
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:04,830
actually well tonight's question what's

1162
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:07,470
going on around the corner tonight's

1163
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,480
question is the Australian vaccination

1164
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:10,800
network have been ordered to change

1165
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,360
know it's not easy the anti-vaccination

1166
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:22,200
at work that's that's the general

1167
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:24,470
feeling yeah because not only is that

1168
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,890
truthful yes it's devastating yeah yeah

1169
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:31,140
and until you need and that's one thing

1170
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:34,200
and also it also is the complete inverse

1171
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:36,180
of what they're trying to do which is to

1172
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:38,520
say yeah we are all about vaccinations

1173
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:39,780
virtually they're all about auntie

1174
00:52:44,330 --> 00:52:41,820
vaccinations so yeah they could call

1175
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:44,340
themselves that I was saying before ugly

1176
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:46,500
we we would be in the position of saying

1177
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:49,110
we support them

1178
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:51,210
that's still up yeah absolutely I don't

1179
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:52,530
know seriously they're still just

1180
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:54,450
fumbling around for a name on a new

1181
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:57,450
daily they are they are and you know I

1182
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:59,010
think they should be honest about it

1183
00:53:01,850 --> 00:53:00,180
I've been with the Australian skipper

1184
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,860
we're completely honest we are skeptical

1185
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,960
of things so why if they're so sure the

1186
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:05,940
vaccinations are a load of bollocks why

1187
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:06,420
don't they call themselves

1188
00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:08,550
anti-vaccination network will be my

1189
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,580
feeling well surely Kathy oh good

1190
00:53:17,110 --> 00:53:14,160
questions ah anyway congratulations

1191
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:17,120
again for their winning the cosmos oh

1192
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:21,570
really I've sort of a name for the

1193
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:24,510
guarantee backs network finally and if I

1194
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:28,560
only had a brain that's a good one I'm

1195
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:30,810
in the same category as they say sort of

1196
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:33,270
the Australian charlatans network they

1197
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:35,970
are the people you meet here hello who

1198
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:38,550
do we have here hi my name is dan dan

1199
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:42,420
green I'm from the Seattle skeptics in

1200
00:53:47,780 --> 00:53:45,020
the pub came here to check out your

1201
00:53:51,110 --> 00:53:47,790
organization here and I hope you're

1202
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:51,120
impressed oh yeah oh yeah very impressed

1203
00:53:57,380 --> 00:53:54,110
you've got a good beautiful location

1204
00:54:00,020 --> 00:53:57,390
interesting speaker yeah well we have a

1205
00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:00,030
new speaker every month um it's a nice

1206
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:03,030
pub it's it's quite because it's a bit

1207
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:04,230
warm tonight because it's the middle of

1208
00:54:08,570 --> 00:54:06,150
summer of course well the end of summer

1209
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:08,580
but it's quite it's quite warm but we

1210
00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:10,050
normally have a really good turnout of

1211
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,820
the Sydney skeptics in the pub what's

1212
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:14,160
the situation like in Seattle well um

1213
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:20,870
seems like we have maybe 30 to 40 people

1214
00:54:28,580 --> 00:54:24,650
approximately every month is probably

1215
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,590
about right and similar kind of thing we

1216
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,200
just have a screen setup and somebody

1217
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:32,480
comes in and

1218
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:35,450
gives a talk sometimes they're they're

1219
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:37,550
non skeptical people come and talk about

1220
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:40,760
naturopathy or whatever and sometimes

1221
00:54:47,530 --> 00:54:43,910
they're science-oriented folks we um

1222
00:54:49,630 --> 00:54:47,540
that's interesting because we we have a

1223
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:49,640
range of speakers but it's not

1224
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:53,530
necessarily on a skeptical issue here

1225
00:54:58,030 --> 00:54:56,300
let's move around the corner very noisy

1226
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:58,040
here but we're right at the bar ladies

1227
00:55:00,520 --> 00:54:59,090
and gentlemen were there clattering

1228
00:55:02,830 --> 00:55:00,530
glasses and we'll just move to this

1229
00:55:04,540 --> 00:55:02,840
corner we try to have a range of

1230
00:55:06,099 --> 00:55:04,550
speakers not necessarily skeptical but

1231
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:06,109
just something that we think people

1232
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:08,060
would be interested in exactly now same

1233
00:55:11,230 --> 00:55:09,770
same kind of thing can be a science

1234
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:11,240
topic we might have an astronomer

1235
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:13,910
astronomer come in and talk about some

1236
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:16,040
recent discoveries or papers i think

1237
00:55:20,849 --> 00:55:18,200
that hot skeptics are very interested in

1238
00:55:23,230 --> 00:55:20,859
the latest scientific breakthroughs and

1239
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:23,240
endeavors and things like that yeah yeah

1240
00:55:29,170 --> 00:55:27,040
and especially things that are a little

1241
00:55:30,609 --> 00:55:29,180
brand new and breaking and we're not

1242
00:55:33,849 --> 00:55:30,619
really sure if they're true or not and

1243
00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:33,859
you know skeptical science mmm so what

1244
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:35,840
brings you to Sydney anyway uh well I

1245
00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:38,690
had a short stage play in the short +

1246
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,390
sweet short and sweet um theatre

1247
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:43,760
festival really yeah yeah just a

1248
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:46,820
10-minute boy yeah and when they

1249
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:48,500
accepted it i thought you know what's

1250
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:52,160
summertime down there and maybe I better

1251
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,450
go so I had plenty of vacation time so I

1252
00:55:59,770 --> 00:55:58,640
came down and watched my play the second

1253
00:56:01,660 --> 00:55:59,780
day I was here I have been a tourist

1254
00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:01,670
ever since excellent going back in a

1255
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:04,460
couple of days yeah yeah so you know

1256
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,470
I've never made it up as far as Seattle

1257
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,440
I've been to oregon but i've never been

1258
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:11,690
to Washington State yeah yeah i think

1259
00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:12,980
that the only thing I really know if

1260
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:14,980
Seattle is from by watching frasier

1261
00:56:20,260 --> 00:56:18,290
which wasn't in Seattle they just use a

1262
00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:20,270
picture of the background yeah of course

1263
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:23,630
it was filmed in LA yeah yeah yeah so

1264
00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:25,609
I've never seen that show so I couldn't

1265
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:28,100
tell you it was realistic will Seattle

1266
00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:30,170
or not but up it's yeah the cut if you

1267
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:32,630
do come make it in July and August when

1268
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:34,970
it's July and August not yeah yeah well

1269
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:37,160
no it is not great

1270
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:41,150
yeah because I've actually I for some

1271
00:56:45,339 --> 00:56:42,710
reason some time ago I took the time to

1272
00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:45,349
look at Seattle on on Google Earth and

1273
00:56:48,819 --> 00:56:46,700
there's an awful lot of water around

1274
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:48,829
isn't it yes yeah a lot of people

1275
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:51,049
commute via fairies and things like that

1276
00:56:57,789 --> 00:56:54,319
I'm some people do um probably not as

1277
00:57:00,490 --> 00:56:57,799
much as as here in Sydney I'm you've got

1278
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:00,500
a lot of water here a lot yes yeah it's

1279
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:02,569
with sandals kind of a smaller scale but

1280
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:05,420
similar thing with with beautiful

1281
00:57:09,490 --> 00:57:07,160
gorgeous mountains and they of course

1282
00:57:11,319 --> 00:57:09,500
yeah yeah of course that part of the

1283
00:57:14,260 --> 00:57:11,329
country has beautiful scenery and you're

1284
00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:14,270
just you're very close to UM British

1285
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,859
Columbia yes we're not far from

1286
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:17,839
Vancouver yeah couple hour drive to

1287
00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:20,420
Vancouver which is a wonderful city it

1288
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,500
is i was in vancouver not Oh 2007 to

1289
00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:26,720
catch an amazing crews of james randi up

1290
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:30,260
to Alaska unforgettable yeah yeah well

1291
00:57:36,010 --> 00:57:31,430
you live in a great part of the world

1292
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:36,020
what can I say and does the duty as the

1293
00:57:40,329 --> 00:57:38,030
skeptics in the pub have a website in

1294
00:57:43,089 --> 00:57:40,339
this yellow um we have a meetup sorry

1295
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,099
now excellent yeah that's it the meetup

1296
00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:45,680
site well Seattle people there's they go

1297
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,630
to meet up some search on Seattle

1298
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:50,480
skeptics yes you'll find her our monthly

1299
00:57:54,849 --> 00:57:53,270
meetup I'm often on that coast of the

1300
00:57:57,579 --> 00:57:54,859
United States I don't make it up that

1301
00:57:59,279 --> 00:57:57,589
far north very often at all but if I

1302
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,289
ever come to seattle i will be

1303
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:01,760
absolutely short let everybody know and

1304
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:03,529
come to skeptical you i'd love to know

1305
00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:06,230
oh boy we'd love to have you you'd be

1306
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:10,220
eschewed be a celebrity seattle people

1307
00:58:14,289 --> 00:58:12,650
send money now there we go well if it

1308
00:58:15,309 --> 00:58:14,299
was really great that you came along and

1309
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:15,319
made the effort to come along the

1310
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,970
skeptics in the pub thank you yeah

1311
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:20,000
walking for i love being here great the

1312
00:58:23,019 --> 00:58:21,740
australian vaccination network have been

1313
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:23,029
ordered to change their name because

1314
00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:24,650
your name is miss leonie an incorrect

1315
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:26,060
what do you think

1316
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:30,260
they should be cool she's laughing oh

1317
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:32,180
I'd be very boring and say something

1318
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:36,710
like the Australian anti-vaccination but

1319
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:39,110
it's the best choice stitch it's on us

1320
00:58:44,830 --> 00:58:42,290
it's straightforward yet yeah I think so

1321
00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:44,840
but they'll hate us oh yes I don't think

1322
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:46,220
they'll call themselves that know what

1323
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:48,200
do you think they'll actually do I think

1324
00:58:54,610 --> 00:58:51,340
they will try to use the word skeptic oh

1325
00:58:57,780 --> 00:58:54,620
no oh yes oh just like the climate

1326
00:59:01,810 --> 00:58:57,790
change denies that's terrible anyway um

1327
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:01,820
whatever they want to do you'll see and

1328
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:04,370
I guess we just keep going what we're

1329
00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:06,020
doing but hey you know it was a great

1330
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:09,980
win for us of course yeah yes and we can

1331
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,960
you know I mean we can be we can be

1332
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:13,040
grateful for that may can be

1333
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:14,210
particularly grateful to all the people

1334
00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:15,650
who worked so hard on making that happen

1335
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,000
yeah absolutely it was a good effort and

1336
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:21,920
in the in the pages of history that will

1337
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:28,250
be a silly footnote I really are

1338
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:30,610
evidence do you know I'm hippies

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everyone there the evidence denying

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hippies our last week alone Jojo Alaba

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it's joe alabaster who listeners a

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little more remember from the skeleton

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hello good voice over to the client area

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but this is very noisy in this part of

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the public from the door here oh that's

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much better it's an interesting pub here

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Sydney skeptics in the pub that's better

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Joe alabaster now the question tonight

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and I'm very glad that you came along um

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the Australian vaccination network had

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been order to change their name she's

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laughing already what do you think they

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should be called ah um I've been going

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with the Australian biohazard Advocacy

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Network oh that's a new one mm-hmm um

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but yeah I've been keeping up with the

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lists damn buzzes been keeping some

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fantastic lists some of them I wouldn't

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necessarily seriously recommend but I'm

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actually endorsing biohazards yep right

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that I haven't heard that one tonight

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that's new most people are saying they

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simply should be called the Australian

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anti-vaccination that work

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it would save them changing this

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stationery yeah they can keep their

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acronym and we know how Meryl is very

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low on money very often as she seems to

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say well thank you Joe alabaster I look

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forward to your next appearance on this

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cryptic service excellent I've actually

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got a bit of a hint um or a tier oh if

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anybody would be interested um

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occasionally when I'm engaging with

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people who are on the fence about

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vaccinations or have been interacting

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with people who are anti-vaccination I

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tend to get a little bit down and one of

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the things that I do to sort of boost my

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spirits a bit is actually go to unicef's

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website and purchase some vaccinations

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polio or measles what a good idea it's

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sort of a tangible well yeah it's a

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definite way to actually be doing

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something actively helping that I can

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measure and know that yeah is useful so

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that's such a good idea I'll include a

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link on the show notes but if people

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just want to go there now what do they

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do they go to UNICEF org au and there is

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the section I think it may be called

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gifts I'm not sure it could be under the

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shop I can't remember off the top of my

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head because I've actually got it

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bookmarked use it slightly often I'm

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where I enjoy people Google UNICEF and

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vaccination they should be able to

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define the right place mmm absolutely

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what a Joe alabaster what a great tip

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what a great suggestion thank you

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all about pleasing sores but for now

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